2. that's the last time i reply to you, if you can't accept the facts and you can't provide proof, then that's your problem and you can't be reasoned with. Now as for the multiversal omniversal thing, it's because back when secret wars happened almost everything was universal, meaning if u did something on a universal scale it was as far as u can go, then at that time we started to have multiversal feats and it was the most you could do at that time, now you have many multiverses, but when beyonder destroyed the multiverse it was everything in existence that he destroyed. Internet Meme. Sp1m is no where near the level of beyonder the only beings I've seen able to match the guy was Thanos with THOTU, possibly dr solar and the lady that came from the infinity gems. Beyonder was never infinite, incalcuable but not infinite. And Superman Prime 1 Million is said to be a 4th Dimensional being. He wasn't omnipresent nor omniscient because he's from the universe of the Beyonders... Not the Marvel-verse.... For the first and only time in comics... TOAA wasn't above someone in the Marvel-Verse but his equal. This topic is locked from further discussion. I know its wiki info but its reliable enough for me. no proof? Since Superman had some of this Source within him, he will curbstomp Beyonder without needed to expend any effort. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. If so then I need say no more. " also, can you prove that the beyonder is omniversal, because the one above all is (check the glossary of terms). RIP Beyonder. Those who wrote the Wiki, and the wiki for comicvine are much smarter than you. give me one omniversal feat for the beyonder. btw did it occur to you that the reason you can't find the link is because it doesn't exist? I just can't find it... mighty world of marvel issue 9 (February 1984). HOTU is > Pre Retcon Beyonder. so he doesn't have them, end of discussion. Beyonder was confused as to himself and exactly what he was, much the same way Owen Reece was. In DC one million superman was still just defending the solar system, granted I believe he had galactic power but it was never shown, and he still needs a yellow sun for his power. Not going to reply since you stated the same thing in your previous post which i countered. TOAA everybody knows... God dammit... even Zero Hour Parallax have better feats than Superman Prime One Million! TOAA isn't a character (not exactly) he is the representation of the writer, didn't you see how they represented jack kirby as TOAA in the scans i posted from fantastic four 511? Even tho Living Tribunal was there had no say what Beyonder did. 1. I support Superman 1 million. Unless you have an on panel feat (which im pretty sure doesn't exist) that has the word 'omniverse' in it, don't post it. so.......nothing? CA Superman or Gold Superman Prime are better choices but only against the current Beyonder. I don't know what would be higher he or Thanos with the HOTU but both guys did the same thing. Don't reply to me if you want, but you are just forcing your win through by discarding feats that already proves he is omnipotent. Your lack of knowledge is yet more funny if you think someone is wrong when they are actually correct. you misunderstood me, im, in no way, arguing that SP1M wins this, beyonder is on a whole another level, im arguing that beyonder isn't equal to TOAA. BTW: After his creator, Jim Shooter, left Marvel, writer-editor Tom DeFalco, displeased with Shooter's tenure at Marvel, re-tooled the Beyonder and altered his origin. btw, i really don't even want to comment about beyonder being omnipotent, yet not omnipresent and omniscient. Heck pre Beyonder killed Death itself throughout the Omniverse. Supey :PO haha but in all seriousness good question ^. Predictable. You say different, you are mistaken. the mistake in your post is that you can't use omniverse and multiverse interchangeably, i think you recall the definition of the omniverse which killemall provided to you a few months ago which was from the OHOTMU #16 (2005). Made up. seriously? And please, refrain from posting multiversal feats, ive read them and seen them hundreds of times. Darkseid achieved more of the source in final crisis. beyonder isn't a representation of the writer, you're making things up, while TOAA is, which was proved on panel. presence has plenty of appearances, most recently in the new 52 phantom strange series. He even said so in some panels, that he knows people will try to trick him to believe he has a weakness and be able to beat him. © 2020 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. Superman Prime One Million wasn't controlling the DC universe at will and he couldn't stop a reality from being destroyed. Beyonder then was pretty omnipotent or past that even, he destroyed and recreated the multiverse in which it is more than everything, also you saw he was beating up celestial with his bare hands for fun, hundreds of them, Odin even with the help of other gods and thanos and the destroyer armor couldn't even handle the celestial host, so he's much much much much above odins level. this is getting repetitive......c'mon, what proof do i want? Been done before, pr beyonder curb stomps. Really don't understand how is this even debatable. He's not omnipresent nor omniscient therefore he doesn't have full knowledge about the Marvel-Verse therefore he can't do the same as TOAA in the Marvel-Verse, however that doesn't take away the facts he didn't showed any kind of limit on his power. Beyonder takes this with ease. Divine power resided inside the Source wall. The Source Wall is also a part of the Presence, which is the TOAA of DC. part of that. Have fun re-reading and understanding your mistake. The Source Wall is probably similar to HOTU, both are doorways to the supreme power of their universe. RIP Beyonder. And Mr. Mxy was a 4th dimensional being who once entered into the real world and confronted the DC writers, which means Superman Prime 1 Million can do the same thing, and because he can do that that means he can also beat up Stan Lee in the real world, and therefore that means Superman Prime 1 Million wins because he's stronger than both the Presence and TOAA. Anyway i'll state again what i've said... TOAA is the supreme being of the Marvel-Verse with this said he has control over all the universes of his creation. There are so many ways for him to beat him in a blink. so you can either counter my argument or you can stop claiming that the beyonder is equal to TOAA. part of that. It is implied he is God. Lol at this... You are so uninformed its not even funny. He was a threat to the Multiverse of Marvel. He himself claimed to be omnipotent, but then again so did Odin once-upon-a-time. @patrat18: SOM have lack of feats to challenge Pre Beyonder. With this said, its not practical to put omnipotent being against "nigh omnipotent" featless beings because Omnipotence will always be above everything and everyone, there's no chance for anybody to beat an omnipotent being. 4. No wait, Superboy prime in earth prime could just shred some Marvel comics with Beyonder in it and he wins... Oh yeeeeeaaah! And Mr. Mxy was a 4th dimensional being who once entered into the real world and confronted the DC writers, which means Superman Prime 1 Million can do the same thing, and because he can do that that means he can also beat up Stan Lee in the real world, and therefore that means Superman Prime 1 Million wins because he's stronger than both the Presence and TOAA. Darkseid achieved more of the source in final crisis. if we go by this flawed logic then kubik is omnipotent as well: this is just one random example off the top of my head, i can show you dozens of characters claiming that they are omnipotent (infinite power), so does this make all of them=TOAA? You say different, you are mistaken. Unless Bendis retcons Beyonder into someone as strong as Blackbolt....wait a minuet Bendis did What!?!? The Source Wall is probably similar to HOTU, both are doorways to the supreme power of their universe. wtf Superman prime one million is no where near PR beyonders level this is spite lol some ppl are actually going for superman here? beyonder wasn't TOAA's equal, but he stomps SP1M that's for sure. Even tho Living Tribunal was there had no say what Beyonder did. and what omniversal feats does the beyonder have? Since Superman had some of this Source within him, he will curbstomp Beyonder without needed to expend any effort. Or actually had the power of God or the Source in DC, a fraction of infinity is still infinite. Based on Feats alone, Beyonder would win. as for TOAA, he's the creator of the omniverse: ive already posted the full page in post #20 , this is an edited image so you might see it clearer (source: mighty avengers most wanted files), 1. looking forward to the interview, i hope you won't disappoint.......and please, don't post a reply without including it. *cheers*. He's not even from the Marvel-Verse but from the universe of the Beyonders. He already did things NO ONE in the Marvel-Verse has managed to do. Initially he was intended to be omnipotent, which was sort of proven within the same conflicts previously stated. Superman Prime 1 Million was acting with the Source Wall itself. But back then he was indeed omnipotent. Owen Reece is only so powerful becuase he access the power of the Beyonders Universe. Just wondering....did anyone notice that the Title of the Thread and the OP have two completely different battles? also his power was retconned in fantastic four annual issue 26 i believe, which is the issue from where the kubik scan (which i posted above) comes from. That pretty dumb beyonder gets rid of gaxlies superman even at stronger could what move a planet heck now superman would lose in a quick second I think it is generally accepted ( at least in my case ) that he was actually using part of the supreme authorities power. There's no need of downgrading his powers when he clearly said and proved he was BEYOND anybody in the Marvel-Verse. I got the impression Superman 1 million WAS time and space. It was implied he was a god or like a god, Odin is a god, Zeus is a God, even Thor and Hercules are gods or part gods. Predictable. He was so all-knowing, thathe no longer knew what was reality and what was his reality. Not going to reply since you stated the same thing in your previous post which i already countered. Delusion. Whether or not TOAA chooses to interact is another story. That's not to mention your other speculations such as 'the source gives you omniscience' where are you getting this from? He is just not that powerful... i can say he's like the Mr. Satan of DC... Just a title... Not actual feats to support the title.
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