But it should. It is not logarithmic and so ‘the effect per doubling’ is not a valid concept since this will depend on the starting concentration. if i was building a house from scratch and had the grounds to do it i would without doubt go this route, Can anyone fill in the blank? It would be like people predicting a catastrophic asteroid impact follows from the law of gravity – there are rocks in the sky, they’re heavy, they fall down. And an eye favoring empirical evidence. Again, you and I are the only people involved in the discussion of this specific topic, so I took it for granted that you already knew what you said, and if I got it wrong (as I arguably did, if you argue fatuously), you could easily defend yourself without having to search the entire page for what you said. bushbunny says: If China stops showering coal dust all over the Eastern Arctic (which they will do long before cutting CO2), that will take off a lot of the warming pressure and there will be less CH4 emitted than is currently feared. If the surface is a relatively good emitter of radiation, it will http://geosciencebigpicture.com/2014/03/31/spectra-goddess-of-light/saturated/ @ Mike B – I’m having troubles finding your Nullius reference; could you post the URL for it? They can transfer heat by mixing with other gas components. It’s not a matter of taking sides I hope. The absorption of radiation by water vapor at all temperatures is much -much greater (at least 10 times) that of CO2 The author should look at Chapter 5 of Perry’s Chemical Engineering Handbook which has an equation to determine the absorptivity of mixed combustion gases. April 11, 2014 at 10:37 pm “Absent ‘GHGs’, the troposphere would still be warmed convectively.” Greenhouse Gases. Quite right Phil. to bend and vibrate - this is called the absorption of IR energy. Are you sure you are on the right thread? I am not amazed at this reaction. So I don’t expect to find the CO2 absorption band right at the peak of the surface LWIR, instead of on the falling tail end. You denied (before I provided quotes) that Sheahen said what I understood him to say, in the process agreeing with me that IF he had said what I understood him to say he would have been wrong (no, you didn’t use those exact words, but that’s what is implied by “We all know, including Dr. Seagal [sic – but to be fair, I think I may have made that error first, and you merely copied it, assuming I had used the correct name, so I’ll take the blame for that one], that methane has some effect.”). They create jobs for these over educated buffoons and all the administration that goes with it. What’s so special about that particular date? In climate science there are things which are known (and which have been known for centuries) and it seems very stupid to contest those as some people here do. But what on earth are you talking about? meaningful? The molecule is opaque to all other energy bands. Basically, methane (CH4) breaks down into H2O and CO2 (a minuscule amount). I am happy to defend whatever I said, or to apologize to you for it if I did or said wrong things. On the one side we have the realists, and on the other – the political and naive greens who look at rainbows and think how lovely they are but don’t know what or how they are created. Here is where climate models diverge sharply from reality… empirical data says they are simply wrong about the second type of amplification. I’m happy to have anyone disagree with me. You talk about being a bulldog, but you don’t want to do what it takes to run with the big dogs? None at all means exactly the same thing as zero, to the last decimal place. which are absorbed. so easy that newspapers can print it, in some visual form, there are some papers that would use it. I mentioned Thera and also some ancient Chinese chronicle that recorded seven years of famine etc. I just can’t see how any computer model even has the scope to account for all of the factors involved, and the biggest limiting factor is that people are inputing the data/variables of system’s that are not fully understood.
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